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Friday, March 16, 2012
Crash test 的重要
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在大马这个国土。crash test都是最不被衡量的汽车条件。所以车商从中取利,轻铁卖贵价。就连自身本土车厂proton,perodua也愚民愚众,税贵轻铁价钱高。
可以说是为所欲为。完全无视人民驾车安全性能。
就以以下的真实例子为鉴:
这是2012 年华人新年期间发生的悲惨车祸案。proton saga 快速割车迎面硬硬撞向toyota vios.saga 驾车人士即刻牺牲;vios里头前方男女生还重伤,后方两老不治,小女孩生存。我相信vios后方两位老人承受不了撞击压力的可能而牺牲。同排小女孩生存了下来。
一个车祸,我们身为消费者学到了什么?
车,不是拿来 炫耀的。是交通工具,还是要注意安全的那一个。
所以人家西方国家不是混的,人家就是搞汽车安全测试。而且还很多,很齐。是所有车商要学习的。
日本 有 japan ncap
韩国 有 korea ncap
欧洲 有 euro ncap
australia 有 australia ncap
美国 有 NHTSA
我相信应该还有跟多,可能来自各地。但是不是每辆车都送去测试。而有测试的皆是international car.
没有这些测试的是 asean car.但是toyota 有为自己的亚洲车弄GOA测试。有好过没有。
最闻名的就是美国NHTSA。可以从这个网站查询车种的测试结果:http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shoppers/
而ncap 就到这里:www.euroncap.com/
所以消费者需要自省自查。安全性能很重要。不要再随随便便让salesman兜着鼻子走。
不过话说回来,看crashtest看得出它的弱点才是厉害。
这里独家为观众解读:
crashtest的速度都不会太快,但是一般马路上的速度就不一样了。其一。
crashtest一般是一个等着撞,另一个撞。而不然就是撞墙。但是马路上呢?是互撞。其二。
crashtest是硬物撞车辆衡量,马路上呢?是什么都可能撞上。其三。
三者兼合就不是一般crash test可言。
有分
前面 撞,
后面 撞,
夹 撞,
旁边 撞。
这个时候在急速的撞击下,车身的硬度就成为关键。硬者生存。就像前面提及的真实车祸。难道车商不懂吗?
他们都懂,但是他们没有帮助人民思考安全性能,反而依旧故我,就为赚人民的冤枉钱。
看看以下这个超级急速的撞击,车身烂成一堆。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL0045E5AD5EF02D85&NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=9k3K86hMiYc
恐怖吗?不如驾慢慢就好了。问题是你驾慢,人家快。人家撞上你,你既不想也没办法。
crashtest 就是目前为止最好的参考。消费者紧记,不是车身重就多糟糕,是轻才可怜。
重就是硬的表征~~记得~!
消费者 最要不得的 购车/改车 观点
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为什么会这样讲呢?原因很简单。
我个人发现 有很多 消费者 保持两种 很要不得的 择车观点。
先讲明,这些都是个人主观观点,就算卖车卖了几十年的人也不见得会写得出这种分析。
其一 是 为了 省油择轻车
其二 是 为了 省油改车bonnet
两者兼是为了省油。因为油太贵了。
问题就在这里轻车是怎么个轻法呢?
我们就来 看看一些网络搜索的资料,当然数据有些出入,但是我相信不会相差太大。
这些车重量是我个人重新排列,大家可以参考:
vios Kerb Weight (kg) 1020
mazda 2 sedan Kerb Weight (kg) 1053
alza Kerb weight (kg) 1140
fiesta hatchback Kerb Weight (kg) 1127
honda city Kerb Weight (kg) 1140
nissan xgear Kerb Weight (kg) 1140
nissan sentra Kerb Weight (kg) 1168
fiesta sedan Kerb Weight (kg) 1171
persona Kerb Weight (kg) 1195
nissan glivina Kerb Weight (kg) 1245
toyota altis Kerb Weight (kg) 1250
forte Kerb Weight (kg) 1261
hyundai matrix Kerb Weight (kg) 1346
proton exora bold cvt Kerb Weight (kg) 1486
不用多说,亚洲出了名的vios就是以省油为名。很多人都真的如此认为了。甚至有人认为如此轻是应该的。
真的应该吗?
但是 可以参考我这个分析文章:http://alexkwokinchrist.blogspot.com/2012/02/comparison-mazda2-sedan-15-toyota-vios.html
内容也是从星加坡一个分析车的网站转载。问题就在这里,mazda 2 的省油量尽然被检测比vios还轻。
其实我个人觉得两者相差不大,但是可悲的是,消费者偏爱轻车就上了车商的当了。
车倘若很轻,甚至比起一般同segment的轻的话就是代表有一些条件缺乏了。
试想想,车的引擎设计不会相差太大,反而是车身。
那就是该车身的设计与质体。轻的就给了一个吓人的条件。轻铁,还是比别人的轻。
为的就是满足消费者对省油的需求。这种等于典当上驾驶着的安全,就只为了省油。
试想想,马路车祸的发生不是看对象的。任何车都有可能相撞上的可能。如果面对面硬碰,硬的就是赢家,生命就保住得可能性大大提升。
vios 硬撼 alza 可能 不相上下
vios 硬撼 proton saga 就 不担心saga
vios 硬撼 proton exora 就 多多保重了,就连mazda 2都是euro ncap 5 star 的车。
vios 硬撼 mazda 2 虽然彼此同segment 但是还是为vios 担心吧。
所以当人家问起省油不省油的时候,我个人对发问的人捏一把冷汗。因为原因很简单,是不是轻一点,危险一点,省很多油就很好呢?
所以呀,消费者们。不要一味追求省油典当生命安全,不然车商会无视安全性能的提升。长期来看,对消费者而言,弊多于利。
第二的观点是 省油改车bonnet
想必拥有车的人 为了省油, 或是为了快,为了轻,为了更有力而改车bonnet。
这是非常非常可怜的,不管什么条件。
bonnet是 车的壳部最最重和硬的地方,为的不单是保护车引擎,而是车里的人。
因为大部分的前方撞击,九不离十都是面对面硬碰硬的。
倘若将这个最强的护身符改了,还安全吗?大家自己想想。
很多人觉得购车,择车被很多条件引导。那么安全性呢?是否已经被忽略了呢?
看得懂这篇文章的含义的人,不会是不懂车的人。
Friday, February 24, 2012
Proton Edar Dealers Association reports only 30% loan approval rate in Jan, asks for review of BNM guidelines
Proton Edar Dealers Association reports only 30% loan approval rate in Jan, asks for review of BNM guidelines
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February 23, 2012 at 2:00 pm By Anthony Lim Filed Under Cars, Local News, Proton
Caution, this is the article from paultan blog. Refer to above original url for more info.
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Bank Negara Malaysia’s new guidelines on responsible financing, which was announced on November 18 last year and became effective in January 1, 2012, hasn’t brought about desired results, it would seem.
The Malaysian Automotive Association has reported a 25% drop in new car sales for January 2012, attributing the cause partly to the restrictions on hire purchase brought about by the new guidelines.
Proton Edar Dealers Association Malaysia (PEDA) has issued a press release, in which it said that the BNM guideline is the second policy that has harmed the automotive industry after the amendments to the Hire Purchase Act last year.
It is calling for the guidelines to be reviewed – it said that the guidelines had severely damaged its sales, with only 30% of applications for loan submissions being approved in January. It is reported that the automotive industry is set to meet BNM tomorrow to seek a review of the guidelines.
PEDA added that the BNM guideline will not only curb and halt the automotive industry’s growth, but will affect vendors, distributors, dealers and sales advisors. It added that the income of more than 4,500 sales advisors in its dealer network has suffered as a result of lost commission earnings.
“The guidelines on responsible financing will only give rise to illegal loan sharks and promote (an) unproductive population,” PEDA president Armin Baniaz Pahamin said in the release.
The association said that when banks are more stringent, it provides a better opportunity for loan sharks to grow, adding that the loan shark industry was already at its prime even before the guideline was introduced. It added that the guidelines do not echo the government’s 10th Malaysia Plan and the government’s vision of the automotive industry, which is the most prominent sector after property.
Prior to the implementation of the guidelines, PEDA said that Proton, car manufacturers and assemblers were already having difficulty in attaining a good economies of scale due to the country’s small population. It said that the guidelines will further shrink its potential buyer’s demographic, and with a smaller market, the fate of more than 300,000 employees in direct and indirect employment within the automotive industry and its support sectors will be affected.
The association stated that it feared the repercussions and impact to the industry if the guideline isn’t reviewed. As it is, it said there are a lot of road bumps that will not only hinder the growth of the sector, but will stop the industry from moving forward, and the least that BNM can do is to encourage healthy competition among bankers to finance buyers and provide a standard procedure of compliance for the public to refer to when buying a car.
Updated footnote: In its release, PEDA explained the procedural requirements and elements needed for a vehicle hire purchase loan application. Initially, I thought it would be rather cumbersome to have placed it into the story, but so as to explain things clearly, I have now included it below, as fully described by PEDA.
Prior to the guideline, the industry was already affected with strict procedures for vehicle loan application. Application for Vehicle Hire Purchase Loan financing approval was previously based on:
1) Central Credit Reference Information System (CCRIS), FIS and CTOS checking.
2) Individual Banks Credit Risk Scoring, which include but are not limited to the following:
i) The Customer’s historical financial payment track record (any outstanding payment).ii) The dealer’s historical customer non-performing loan percentages or fraud casesiii) The vehicle model and type historical non-performing loan percentageiv) Applicant’s other financial commitment (financial exposure)v) Applicant’s lifestyle (rented house, mortgage, stay with parent)vi) Applicant’s employer’s background (its paid-up capital, years of establishment etc)
3) Applicant’s salary (rule of thumb: salary is 3x higher than the HP loan monthly repayment).
4) Documents required includes but not limited to:
i) 3 months payslipii) 3 months bank statementsiii) EPF statementsiv) Proof of addressv) Copy of identity cardvi) Copy of driving licenseviii) Appointment letter (or confirmation letter)
5) Guarantor’s documents as per para 4 will be prepared if the applicant’s income is less than 3x of the HP loan monthly repayment.
6) Banks have some discretion in approving customer’s loan application bearing the credit risk scoring.
With the above requirements, the average duration for approval took a minimum of 3-5 working days and the overall approval rate already stands at a critical 50% of total submission, with at least 25% of the loan was approved at a lower percentage (loan amount was reduced).
IMPACT ON THE BNM GUIDELINES IMPLEMENTATION:
Since January 1 2012, all banks interpreted the guidelines differently and practice different measures in approving vehicle loan application but the new Rule of Thumb especially for Proton car buyers includes all the six factors above and the following unwritten-terms:
1) Gross income of at least RM1,600 per month.
2) or Net income MUST BE RM800 or more. Net income meaning, gross income less EPF and any other loan exposure with banks.
3) Bank statement of at least six months (BNM GL: Para 6.11 and 6.12)
4) No discretionary approval; any applications that does not conform to the requirement are rejected without processing. Since the implementation of the guidelines, banks do not seem to have any flexibility in approving loans.
5) Customer has lost all sovereignty in exercising his/her right to apply for any car loan unless they comply to the Debt Service Ratio (DSR) of the BNM Guidelines. This directly impacts the majority of the national car buyer demographic.
6) A car buyer can only qualify to secure a loan if he/she passes the DSR that totals up all outstanding debts repayment obligations from banks and non-banks (eg cooperatives, building societies, credit companies, and merchants that provide credit sales) against its income after statutory deductions (ie. tax, EPF, SOCSO) (BNM GL Para 6.6)
7) 6 months proof of salary is required for applicants with high ‘variable income.’ Overtime includes overtime, allowances and commission.
Wednesday, February 22, 2012
NCAP is important.But not latest. Check USA : NHTSA
NCAp is important.
we can see euro ncap, ancap, j an k ncap as well.(google global ncap).
But there is a crash test and safety rating that believe to be more strict than euro ncap.
That is US NHTSA: National Highway Traffic Safety Administrator
Vehicle Shoppers
NHTSA has set the standard for safety, helping consumers find safer cars with its 5-Star Safety Ratings for more than 30 years. Now, buying a safer car just got easier with the new Overall Rating that makes comparing vehicles simple. Take a test drive of SaferCar.gov and explore the safety features and ratings of your next car.
visit: http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shoppers/
click below url and search your car model for crash test result.
Please take note that if your car model is not search in ncap or nhtsa that means your car is an asean car or other regions of cars that do not meet any safety feature level of assessment.
http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Shoppers/5-Star+Safety+Ratings/2011-Newer+Vehicles/Vehicle-Detail?vehicleId=6129
Pilot Projek Untuk ASEAN New Car Assessment Program (ASEAN NCAP) Bakal Menjadi Kenyataan Pada Pertengahan 2012
Pilot Projek Untuk ASEAN New Car Assessment Program (ASEAN NCAP) Bakal Menjadi Kenyataan Pada Pertengahan 2012
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please refer to the above original url for more detail.
Nah! Sekarang ASEAN dan Malaysia khasnya bakal mempunyai protokol sendiri untuk NCAP mereka.
from ANCAP:
http://www.ancap.com.au/mediarelease?id=142
08 February 2012
Safer Cars for South East Asia
The Australasian New Car Assessment Program (ANCAP) will host representatives from the Southeast Asian New Car Assessment Program (SEA NCAP) for a week of collaboration in Sydney from 13-16 February 2012.
The Global New Car Assessment Programme (GNCAP) and the Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (MIROS) signed a collaborative Memorandum of Understanding in December 2011 to establish a pilot project for a SEA NCAP to elevate motor vehicle safety standards, encourage a market for safer vehicles and raise consumer awareness in the SE Asia region. ANCAP is also a signatory to this MOU as well as the Automobile Associations of Malaysia, Singapore, and The Philippines.
ANCAP’s role is to provide technical and program support and advice to SEA NCAP to ensure that the program pursues protocols and procedures that will provide meaningful, accurate and reliable test results. It will also assist SEA NCAP in aligning with other NCAP’s around the world.
A new crash test facility is being constructed in Malaysia and testing will begin in mid 2012. With many vehicles supplied to the Australasian market from factories in SE Asia, this new program will have flow on effects across the Asia-Pacific region and beyond.
About 15 delegates from SE Asia will be participating in next week’s program of events, which includes the witnessing of a frontal offset crash test.
Media are invited to speak with representatives of SEA NCAP and ANCAP.
DATE: Wednesday, 15 February 2012
TIME: 1.00pm to 1.45pm
LOCATION: Crashlab* - 409 Great Western Highway, HUNTINGWOOD NSW 2148
ANCAP is supported by all Australian and New Zealand motoring clubs, the Australian Government, the New Zealand Government, all Australian state governments, the Victorian Transport Accident Commission, NRMA Insurance and the FIA Foundation.
For a full list of ANCAP’s vehicle safety ratings, other vehicle safety information and the specifications of the rated vehicles go to www.ancap.com.au.
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Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Comparison - Mazda2 Sedan 1.5 (A) & Toyota Vios 1.5E (A)
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heard about vios been claimt with so call super duper save fuel car, here is what we found in Singapore car review. It shouldn't be too much different from Malaysia, because both are just sold as same in Malaysia as B-segment here.
read this article(visit the url for more detail):
http://www.sgcarmart.com/news/review.php?AID=259&PN=3
content paste here:
Battle of the Sedans
The Mazda2 Sedan and the Toyota Vios have been two of the most popular compact sedans available in its segment. Thus, making a good buying decision between these two is indeed a tough one.
The Drive
On the go, the Vios loses out a tad bit to the Mazda2 Sedan.
On a day-to-day basis, the Mazda 2 would be the perfect companion. The cargo area may not be the best in its class, but pack light and the problem is solved. That being said, the motor feels quick when pushed hard.
Even on highways, the engine is smooth and has enough power for overtaking. This 1.5-litre hums along nicely, thrives on revs and makes the right noises when hard at work.
The Mazda2 Sedan has no bad habits, but neither does it handle like a Lotus. The suspension is fairly compliant resulting in a good ride over uneven surfaces. Around the corners, the Mazda does roll a bit, but nothing grave enough to make you lose your lunch.
Moreover, the brakes are close to perfect. It's precise and sharp and it comes to a halt without any fuss when instructed to. Although the Mazda's pushing prowess isn't breathtaking, the acceleration is sharp and relatively effortless for a car its size.
The Vios 1.5E proposition is slightly different. Although it packs more power and torque on paper, it does not come across as a faster or more powerful car. You certainly have to prod the accelerator a bit harder to get it to perform according to the specs.
Additionally, the featherweight steering of the Vios, which is such a joy in the parking lot and in traffic, is a touch too light and numb to inspire confidence in enthusiastic cornering - which is something you wouldn't want to do anyway. The torsion-beam rear suspension feels a bit unsettled during such driving mischief, as if it's nervous of anything beyond placid cornering loads.
But there is, no doubt, a good side to it. Although handling is not the best in its class, the Vios scores points for its ride quality. The car remains agile and pliant when thrown around, with good grips from the Yokohama tyres.The 2 and Vios score good marks for its power and ride quality respectively. While not nearly as impressive as some of the competitors in its class, the two highly recommended compact sedans' real world driving experience will satisfy most potential car buyers.
Conclusion
Although the Toyota Vios 1.5E loses a tad bit to Mazda2 in terms of their fuel efficiency of 14.3km/l (Mazda2 clocks 14.7km/l), it's the type of car that it's hard to feel any buyer's remorse for. It's practical, comfortable and it certainly doesn't look half bad.
On the other hand, the Mazda has made a good car better. The Mazda2 Sedan is characterised by a combination of dynamism, sexiness and simplicity, which leaves a strong visual impression. It may not be the cheapest in its segment, but as a value for money buy, it is hard to fault.
But one thing is certain for the compact sedans - they are both practical choices as a daily commuter. It's good enough for a bachelor, bachelorette, or a small family just starting out in life.
At a price of $68,988 for Vios (as of 23 Sept 2010) and $75,988 for Mazda2 Sedan (as of 24 Sept 2010), it's not as high tech and sophisticated as higher-end vehicles out there, but you'll get a reliable car from a reputable and reliable brand.
*the is the page 3 review from the original url
check the kerb that dominate your car fuel
vios Kerb Weight (kg) 1020
mazda 2 sedan Kerb Weight (kg) 1053
alza Kerb weight kg 1140
fiesta hatchback Kerb Weight (kg) 1127
... honda city Kerb Weight (kg) 1140
nissan xgear Kerb Weight (kg) 1140
nissan sentra Kerb Weight (kg) 1168
fiesta sedan Kerb Weight (kg) 1171
persona Kerb Weight (kg) 1195
nissan glivina Kerb Weight (kg) 1245
toyota altis Kerb Weight (kg) 1250
forte Kerb Weight (kg) 1261
hyundai matrix Kerb Weight (kg) 1346
proton exora bold cvt Kerb Weight (kg) 1486
asean ncap
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watch out of asean ncap...many asean own a car know nothing about important of ncap... and that's why alot of car manufacturer not doing this for asean. that's call overpriced car.
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Below from paultan car blog:
The ASEAN New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) pilot project is set to have its protocols finalised next week in Sydney, when representatives from the programme meet their Australasian New Car Assessment Program (ANCAP) counterparts for a week long collaboration on the matter. The release of the ASEAN NCAP protocol is set for March 16.
This follows on the collaborative Memorandum of Understanding signed by the Global New Car Assessment Programme (GNCAP) and the Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (MIROS) in December last year to establish a pilot project for a South-East Asian NCAP to elevate motor vehicle safety standards, encourage a market for safer vehicles and raise consumer awareness in the region......
click here to paultan car blog
Pronton P3!!!! really cool!!!! check te spec out! how proton make it!!??
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Oh! Maklumat Lengkap Proton P3-21A Dibongkarkan
Maklumat lebih lengkap Proton P3-21A kini sudah didedahkan untuk kita semua mendapatkan gambaran sebenar apa yang ditawarkan Proton melalui produk terbaru dan terhangat ini. Menurut sumber dari blog Proton-Sales, Proton P3-21A boleh dikatakan mempunyai pelbagai ciri-ciri terkini serba lengkap, sama ada kelengkapan aksesori, utiliti, mahu pun ciri-ciri keselamatan bertaraf tinggi. Maklumat selanjutnya adalah seperti di bawah;
ACCESSORIES:
1. Auto fold/unfold side mirror - Side mirror akan automatik fold setiap kali alarm kereta diaktifkan, dan automatik unfold selepas kenderaan bergerak selaju 5km. Selain itu ada juga butang untuk kegunaan manual seperti yang ada pada Exora BOLD
2. Auto Off Rear Demister - Mengelakan tint menggelembung
3. Follow Home Lamp
4. Headlamp Warning Buzzer
5. Trunk Remote Release
6. Front & Rear Socket 12V - Terdapat di bahagian hadapan dan belakang
7. Utility Hook - Terdapat pada ruang penumpang hadapan seperti Exora, dan juga di ruang belakang pada area ‘pilar B’
8. Low Rear Hump - Ruang kaki penumpang belakang tidak lagi sempit dengan kini bonggolan tengah di lantai ruang kaki belakang lebih rendah
9. Front & Rear Fog Lamp
10. Anti-Trap Power Windor - Driver side only
11. Seat Material - Water repellent Fabric. Seat boleh fold 60:40. Material sangat lembut dan selesa
12. Smart Info Display (SID) - Mempunyai 3 bacaan kilometer, Trip A, Trip B dan Trip C. Terdapat pelbagai lagi maklumat seperti memberi amaran jika bateri pada kunci lemah dan lain-lain
13. Autolock & Advance Lock System
14. Magnesium Inside Door Handle
15. Keyless Entry - Tiada lubang kunci pada keempat-empat pemegang pintu
16. BOSCH Head-Unit - 2-Din, Touch Screen Monitor, Navigator, Bluetooth, USB, AUX, MP3
17. YES WiFi Modem - In-car Internet, first ever car in Malaysia, coverage Semenanjung Malaysia
18. S-Mode (Sport) - Terdapat pada gear column (P-R-N-D-S), S-Mode akan menambah RPM sebanyak 1,000 secara serta-merta untuk pemanduan lebih agresif
19. BCM - Body Control Module
SAFETY
1. 4 Wheel ABS & EBD with 4 Wheel Disc Brake
2. TC (Traction Control)
3. ESC (Electronic Stability Control)
4. BA (Braking Assist)
5. 4 AIRBAG - Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletakkan di tempat duduk hadapan
6. 5 STARS Australia NCAP - Orang ramai tidak perlu lagi ragu-ragu tentang ketulenan markah penuh ujian perlanggaran P3-21A ini, kerana prosedur NCAP, pemilihan unit yang akan diuji bukan ditentukan oleh Proton atau syarikat pembuat kereta. Tetapi wakil NCAP dari Austrlia akan datang sendiri ke kilang model tersebut dan memilih sendiri secara rawak unit yang akan diuji. Jadi tiada lagi persoalan tentang markah penuh ujian perlanggaran NCAP. Dan saya sendiri tidak hairan tentang markah penuh tersebut setelah milihat video perlanggaran P3-21A dengan kelajuan 140km/h, bahagian ‘pilar A’ langsung tidak bengkok, terkesan atau sebagainya, ini membuatkan cermin hadapan tidak berderai, hanya retak atas kesan letupan Airbag sahaja. Untuk perbandingan, diantara City, Vios, Forte, Altis & Civic, hanya Civic sahaja yang mempunyai rekod NCAP, iaitu Japan NCAP.
DIMENSION
1. Length = 4.543m
2. Width = 1.786m
3. Height = 1.524m
Size luar keseluruhan kereta menunjukkan P3-21A lebih besar daripada City, Vios, Forte, Altis & Civic
CHASSIS
1. Boot Space: 508 liter - Terbesar diantara City, Vios, Forte, Altis & Civic
2. Turning Radius: 5.3 meter
3. Full Tank Capacity: 50 liter
4. Aerodynamic (Rintangan Angin): CD Factor = 0.30 - Untuk perbandingan, Audi TT memiliki CDFactor = 0.29. Secara theory nya, semakin kurang rintangan angin, semakin kurang penggunaan petrol
POWER-TRAIN
1. 1.6L CFE with 7-speed Pro-Tronic CVT3 (VVT) - 205Nm @ 2,000rpm ; 140PS
2. 0-100km/h: 9.6 saat - Untuk perbandingan, Kia Forte 1.6: 12.5 saat
VARIANT
1. Executive MT, 1.6 IAFM+ 5-Speed MT
2. Executive CVT, 1.6 IAFM+ 6-Speed CVT
3. Premuim CVT, 1.6 CFE 7-Speed CVT
COLOR
1. Solid White
2. Tranquility Black
3. Genetic Silver
4. Fire Red (my favorite)
5. Blue Lagoon
Ciri-ciri lain yang telah diketahui sebelum ini:
1. Auto Cruise Control
2. Keyless Push Start (ON/OFF)
3. Magnesium Paddle Shift 7-speed & Manual Mode (+/-) on gear column
4. Audio Switch Steering Control
5. Soft touch plastic dashboard
6. Emblem on Steering Wheel
7. ISOFIX
8. Rain Sensor
9. Light Sensor
10. Day light Front LED
11. Sport Rim 16″ (10 Spoke)
12. Multi-link rear suspension with Lotus RIDE & HANDLING
Kereta yang bagus bukan saja terletak pada aksesori dan ciri-ciri keselamatan terbaik serta rupa paras yang menarik, tetapi juga bergantung kepada harga. Harap Proton meletakkan tanda harga yang berpatutan, kalau boleh harga maksimumnya tidak akan melebihi RM75K.
OH! TIDAK: KAMI PERCAYA KERETA KELUARAN TERBARU PROTON INI MAMPU BERSAING DENGAN KERETA-KERETA DARI LUAR SEKALIGUS MENGEMBALIKAN KEPERCAYAAN RAKYAT MALAYSIA KEPADA PROTON. SYABAS PROTON! MALAYSIA BOLEH!
Malaysia's Latest Proton Saga
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Questions of insider trading in national car shares remain unanswered a month after sale to a Mahathir crony
For nearly three decades, Malaysia’s national car project, Proton, has suffered through endless troubles, nearing its demise several times only to be propped up again and again by the government.
The government has regularly sought foreign buyers to come in and save the project, Perusahaan Otomobil Nasional Bhd. The carmaker has cost the country’s consumers billions in lost opportunity costs from the steep tariffs levied against other carmakers in addition to the losses the company made on its own, estimated at US$2-3 billion, plus the cost of building its factories. The preferential tariffs haven’t stopped consumers from turning to other makes anyway.
In January, DRB-Hicom Bhd, controlled by billionaire Syed Mokhtar al-Bukhary, a longtime Mahathir friend and United Malays National Organization crony, agreed to take the ailing carmaker off the hands of Khazanah Nasional Bhd., the state-owned investment fund which owned 42.7 percent of the shares after taking the company over during an earlier period of distress. The subsequent events have raised many questions of insider trading, none of which have ever been addressed either by Proton, Hicom or Bursa Malaysia, the country’s stock exchange.
In the two months prior to the announcement of the sale, Proton’s shares went on a wild ride, beginning on Nov. 14, when the shares traded thinly, at only about 300,000 per day at a price of around RM2.70 (US88 cents)
According to official announcements by Bursa Malaysia, the Kuala Lumpur main board, the shares took off on Nov. 15, rising to RM3.21 on volume of 4.3 million traded. Over the next 12 days, daily volumes averaged 4.4 million shares. By Dec. 5, volumes increased to 20 million shares per day – 60 times the November average - with the price rocketing up by nearly 25 percent over the period to RM4.50 per share.
Proton’s Wild Ride
It wasn’t until Dec. 5, three weeks after the shares began to gyrate that Bursa Malaysia issued an Unusual Market Activity enquiry. On the next day, Proton announced: “"The Board of Directors of Proton wish to clarify that after making due enquiry with the Board of Directors and major shareholders, the company is not aware of any reason for the unusual market activity in the shares of the company recently, and further, that there is no material corporate development not previously disclosed."
Certainly not! On Jan. 17, DRB-Hicom announced it would buy Khazanah’s stake in the carmaker for RM1.291 billion, the equivalent of RM5.50 per share. That meant that those smart enough – or informed enough -- to buy the Proton shares in November at RM2.70 had effectively doubled their money in two months.
Insider trading?
“The above chain of events makes a bad overall impression. It looks very much that certain parties were privy to inside information,” wrote M A Wind, who blogs for Asia Sentinel. “Why was Bursa Malaysia so late with its Unusual Market Activity query? The share price of Proton had increased already over three consecutive weeks by a whopping 70 percent while daily turnover had risen 20-fold when it finally took action.”
The announcement on December 6, 2011 by Proton that neither it nor Khazanah Nasional were aware of any unusual activity looks puzzling to say the least. The market was rife with rumor, but neither Proton nor Khazanah Nasional said they were aware of any activity.
More suspiciously, the share price more or less stratified at RM 5.50 several days before the final announcement on January 16, 2011 – the DRB-Hicom offer price, which seems to suggest that unknown parties might have known what it would be.
Also, both Proton and DRB-Hicom appeared remarkably passive in issuing announcements, both only responding to queries from Bursa Malaysia (most notably on Dec. 6, 8 and 13, 2011 and Jan. 9, 2012), not initiating the announcements themselves although the stock exchange’s website says: "We place significant emphasis on timeliness, adequacy and accuracy of disclosure to enable investors to make informed investment decisions."
”Let’s be clear,” said a Kuala Lumpur-based investment banker. “All of Malaysia is one big insider-trading casino. There aren’t any other kind of trades.”
The banker declined to speculate on who made the killing. However, he said the clues point to top political figures. The car company was government-owned, the new ownership is close to top United Malays National Organization figures.
One of the victims of the exercise appears to be Malaysian workers -- the Employee Provident Fund, which provides retirement benefits for 13 million private and public sector employees at about 485,000 institutions and companies in the country. The EPF acquired an additional 830,000 shares in 2007 in one of many bids to rescue the company, making Malaysia’s taxpayers owners of the company whether they wanted to be or not.
The EPF, presumably unassuming, sold off some 15 million shares for a price well below the mandatory general office price, which is estimated to have cost the fund roughly RM20 million to RM30 million on the trades.
The next question is why Mokhtar wanted to take over the car project, initiated in the early1980s by former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad against the advice of his advisors, all of his critics and common sense. It has been unable to achieve economies of scale that would allow it to survive and flourish. Although local media reported that the financier was considering a possible tie-up with Volkswagen AG of Germany, as long ago as 2004 – eight years ago – it had been vainly seeking buyers that included Volkswagen, the American giant General Motors and PSA Peugeot-Citroen of France -- none of the bids has ever worked out.
However, Proton Holdings Bhd registered a first-half 2010-2011 pre-tax profit of RM186 million in the first half of its 2010/11 financial year, built on improved market sentiment and a 13 percent increase in vehicle sales. From an earnings point of view, the company is described by analysts nonetheless as “quite hopeless." But the company holds some valuable assets, including the land on which its old factory is sited in Shah Alam, and the UK-based Lotus manufacturer or sports and racing cars. The Net Asset Value is RM9.81 per share, well above the purchase price paid by Syed Mochtar. The company has RM1.3 billion in the bank and almost no debt.
“If in three months time Lotus is sold for a huge price, then we know why,” said an analyst. “ Maybe Syed Mokhtar knows already how to unlock the value."
Selling off the assets, however, would probably infuriate Mahathir, something the tycoon probably would not want to do for fear of retaliation by the still-powerful former premier. The 86-year-old Mahathir is said to be readying a return as a special advisor. On Feb. 6, he wrote an enthusiastic entry in his blog, Che Det, saying he had test driven a new model and found it to be an excellent car.
Proton was the focal point of Mahathir’s dream to turn Malaysia into an industrial powerhouse built on the country’s considerable natural wealth of rubber, palm oil and crude. The car was one of a flock of mega-projects that Mahathir forced onto Malaysia in the 1980s and 1990s, creating steel mills, the US$475 million Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur, a US$5.5 billion Putrajaya administrative capital, the US$2.4 billion Kuala Lumpur International Airport, the US$15 billion Multi-Media Super Corridor which was supposed to eclipse Silicon Valley. The Bakun Dam in Sarawak was to generate enormous amounts of electrical power to be piped through 1,500 kilometers of underwater cables to West Malaysia. A vast network of highways was flung across the country.
Japan’s Mitsubishi Corp persuaded Mahathir to retool an even-then ageing Lancer in 1985 and put an Islamic star and shield on the hood to create the first Proton Saga. Mitsubishi, however, quit in 2004 and sold its 16 percent stake back to Proton Holdings Bhd, the parent holding company.
After Mitsubishi pulled out, the absence of newer models and the inability to find a reliable and technically sound foreign partner meant that sales began to decline. Although Proton had more than 60 percent of the market in 2002, that fell to 30 percent by 2006. It has hovered around 30 percent ever since, despite the preferential government treatment. A 2007 Wall Street Journal-Asia report suggests that Proton burned up RM300-500 million annually.
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read this article. some point of view from the insider do make sense. captured the points as below here and let's think:
1. Pronton is very keen in seeking buyers that included Volkswagen, the American giant General Motors and PSA Peugeot-Citroen of France -- none of the bids has ever worked out.
2. From an earnings point of view, the company is described by analysts nonetheless as "quite hopele...ss."
3. "If in three months time Lotus is sold for a huge price, then we know why"
4. Japan Mitsubishi Corp persuaded Mahathir to retool an even-then ageing Lancer in 1985 and put an Islamic star and shield on the hood to create the first Proton Saga. Mitsubishi, however, quit in 2004 and sold its 16 percent stake back to Proton Holdings Bhd, the parent holding company.
5. After Mitsubishi pulled out, the absence of newer models and the inability to find a reliable and technically sound foreign partner meant that sales began to decline
6. A 2007 Wall Street Journal-Asia report suggests that Proton burned up RM300-500 million annually.
the golden egg of malaysian: EPF is mentioned in the article. will it be misused to save the ass of proton? if no, God bless...if yes, let's eat shit.
Depreciation Kills | The Truth About Cars
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From the good old days of 2007…
“Is that yours?” Millions of car buyers spend billions of dollars hoping that this statement will be born of admiration rather than pity. When these words come out of a car dealer’s mouth at trade-in time, they can be especially hurtful– even if the salesman is as honest as their spiel is long. That’s the moment when most car buyers finally discover whether or not their automotive “investment” has walked off a cliff and fallen into the financial abyss known as depreciation.
Here’s how to avoid the freefall.
It simply can’t be stressed enough. Depreciation is the mother of all automotive operating costs. Even if gas soars to four bucks a gallon, depreciation STILL represents the biggest hit to the car owner’s wallet.
To wit: The average cost for a new car in these great United States currently hovers around $30k. After seven to eight years– still a few years less than the ever-increasing average amount of time American new car buyers hold onto their whips– the car’s owner will be looking at a depreciation rate somewhere between 65 percent and 85 percent.
In other words, come trade-in time, they’re facing an average loss between $19,500 and $25,500. That’s before any considering of the “opportunity cost” (i.e. money lost by NOT investing the cash in a house/money market/alpaca farm). Or inflation.
Bottom line: if you want to avoid depreciation, forget about buying a new car… or even a near-new car. Yes, a new car offers warranty-related peace of mind and late model vehicles can be purchased as certified pre-owned models. . But it’s an extremely expensive security blanket. A carefully-selected used car may need repairs. But in most cases, repairs of those expenses still cost a lot less than depreciation.
If you’re willing to forgo that new(ish) car smell, figuring-out your buying pattern is the next step. There are two basic buying types: Keepers (keep cars for the long haul) and Traders (trade them in after a few years).
Many Keepers are ready, willing and able to enjoy a vehicle for well over a decade. “Keepers” believe their car should be a cruising companion until the point where the perceived risk of owning it (usually the cash outlay for major repairs) outweighs the fact that ownership itself eventually costs them nothing/virtually nothing.
In the automotive world they are what we call “married.”
The key to being a successful Keeper: marry genuine quality, not reputation. Say what you will about “import bigots” and brand loyalty. The automotive market is a place where perceived reputation translates into dollars and cents.
Toyotas and Hondas routinely receive price premiums– even though many of their products fall far short in value and performance as compared to their peers. By the same token, overlooked or unloved models represent an excellent way to keep the hounds of depreciation at bay.
In most cases, car buyers get more bang for their buck (power, features, etc.), lower up-front costs, and lower depreciation costs simply by buying a used example of a less well known/accepted car. Mitsubishi, Suzuki, Buick– there are plenty of brands that sell excellent products that simply fail to capture the public imagination. The fact that these cars take a huge initial hit on depreciation works entirely in your favor, both buying and selling.
For example, if you’re looking at a midsized commuter, a 2004 Buick Century or 2004 Oldsmobile Bravada, both of which finished first in J.D. Power’s dependability study and received strong ownership ratings, will cost thousands less to purchase than a comparable Camry, Accord or Pilot. Remember: badge snobs must pay for the privilege.
The Trader is a different animal. They are looking at a shorter time horizon than the Keeper. They require a different strategy.
To avoid depreciation, Traders are best off buying a carefully vetted seven to nine-year-old car of their choice. At that point, depreciation has exacted the majority of its revenge.
With due diligence, Traders can get a superb return on their money. The average seven-year-old car kept for two years experiences minimal depreciation (20 percent or so). The average nine-year-old car experiences even less, and so on. It’s a simple but highly effective buying pattern.
And then there is the Sage. The Sage can buy nearly anything and make a buck at it. Yours truly has enjoyed hundreds of vehicles over the last few years– and it’s only taken huge chunks of my free time to do it. Mechanics, auto auctioneers, wholesalers, retailers and hobbyists will always have an edge when it comes to depreciation costs. We know what’s hot, and we know plenty of people who appreciate hotness.
Again, wisdom comes at a cost. Sages don’t pay for depreciation (much), but their insight requires years of hard work, money (mistakes are never free) and a feel for the auto biz’ cycles of fashion and fame.
Whether you’re a Keeper, Trader or Sage, remember: a car is an expense. It may excite you or be a daily nuisance, but it is still an expense. By minimizing depreciation you will avoid the single largest cost in the process. With that money you can save the world, buy groceries or save up for your next car.
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what do i think?
many people don't really understand and getting mislead by sales figure/staff:
if owning a car for 7~9 years(or plan to own it that long), depreciation has exacted the majority of its revenge.
hence time when purchasing that machine, depreciation is just a joke to freak you out of decision making.
there are friends who own a car for more than 8 years, and do you still think so call "better depreciation value" still make any sense in this case?
No at all~~! maybe you have to approach the sales to figure out~! yo~~
compare car price in malaysia, UK, US, thailand.
2012 toyota camry…..the camry fever still ruling the first world country USA.
Let’s see how it goes in Malaysia and thailand..
US web price(I believe the real retail price might be little different but not much..for Malaysia as well)
2012 camry cost for USD 23,000 Let convert it into our MYR ringgit, using web currency converter:
The result is:
72.841.00 MYR..
I know this is ridiculous.
Let’s find out more:
click this and shown:
I really don’t know is this a On-the-road price or not…so let’s add another USD 3000 for calculation:
$23000+$3000 = $ 26000
And the conversion comes to:
RM82,342.00 sound nice?
Let’s see where it goes in Malaysia:
Let’s see where it goes, um sound like a big profit.
It goes to RM144,999.00 for lowest spec we get here.
I know some “extreme country lover still unable to accept this real fact in front of our eyes ball~~”.. let’s convert it into USD for more clear picture:
Here it goes: USD 45,781.5 that mean equal to 2 camry in Malaysia.
Let’s go to Toyota Thailand to see what happen:
If bath 1224000, then its RM:
Let’s see here. 1 camry car in US, Malaysia and Thailand. All converted to Malaysia ringgit:
USD: RM82,342.00
Baht: RM122,982.49
MYR: RM144,990.00
If you are buying other cars in Malaysia such as below car model with around RM80,000 something. You get:
Why? Its that inspira so cool than camry? That been awarded as best car selling in US?
Let’s try to find out more, let’s go for proton person:
In Malaysia, RM49.499.00.
In Australia:
What is that mean? Don’t care..just take the lowest spec and calculate the price:
It is RM 48558.59.
Doesn’t make much different. Let’s go for UK proton and see what is the different.
Unfortunately, I can’t get persona there I don’t want to compare any ecologic.
Let’s try gen-2:
Malaysia price:
RM54,988.00 in Malaysia
Let’s go for UK now:
Whatever with the persona here, let’s just take to most cheap on-the road price:
RM45,170.87? I don’t believe that. Let’s try higher price:
Um…that’s make me feel better…RM58,929.27
Let’s try savvy:
And UK one?
For manual..UK selling price is cheap than us for a few hundred, and for auto one, they got higher than us for a few hundred. Ringgit.
What is this mean?
I always get this information from people that we use to buy most expensive car. And I not really understand why the “Top Gear” 3 guys so irritating on Malaysia manufactured car.
I remember what’s is his review on kelisa in UK about:”…Malaysia car maker just want to make money…and blah..”. And he is so angry with Malaysia car quality.
Now I understand.
No matter you bought what car in Malaysia, imported or local made.(actually mostly is local assembly…like vios and naza plate car).
ASSB UMW assembly vios in malaysia…no wrong locally.
And naza?well known. The manufacturing plan in gurun.
Guess what?we thought we bought imported car but actually is local assembly, and then rebadged or better put back the original badge.
But guess what, even you assembly in Malaysia. The car price is even higher than what US consumer get in US.see below
Lowest spec in Malaysia from RM71,194
Car price in US, converted into Malaysia: RM72,841.00
So what is this mean again?
Some people felt so proud of getting nice car in Malaysia, and we call them ‘lansi’~~
Not nice to call people in this way.
But what this mean?
It means: no matter what car you bought, in Malaysia. (local assembly imported car, local rebadged imported car, purely imported car, even local manufactured car by proton/perodua).
Who earn the most?car seller?maybe..but I believe the most one who take the money from the people is: GOVERNMENT
Guess what? Let’s see Malaysian automotive association that price out the percentage of taxes we paid:
I always heard about this and I don’t really mind on what we had been paid for.(at least for some times…until I have a strongly feeling of increasing of my daily expenses lately).
I thought government wanna help me….but…everywhere I google. I see how the government tax me..until I die(one day).
The point is:
Either Malaysian is a rich country that we can buy our car more expensive than US and Thailand.
Either Malaysian is a very rich nation that our exported to other country and they use to get lower price than us. yes~ with the same product..
Either Malaysian is that rich enough to protect our car industry no matter what..
Are we that rich ? Are we that much than first world country?
But how about our neighbor country?
Are we still sleeping on all this real facts? Since we had given more than 20 years of contribution (in car industry market I mean) to our dear ex- prime minister protected industry.
What happened to us?
Thanks for your contribution to the nation and government.
Thursday, December 29, 2011
性格决定命运——试驾起亚Forte福瑞迪
http://news.chinacars.com/pingce/shijia/499579.shtml
韩国人的好胜性格让起亚不惜重金聘请国际设计大师为其效命,以获奇效;而欧洲设计师骨子里的天性让这款FORTE从内到外透露着浓郁流畅的运动气息。国产后,东风悦达起亚为这款最新的国产车型FORTE取了个很喜庆,而且很Local的中文名,叫“Forte福瑞迪”。它的命运如何,我们只用了半天的时间,就已经能给出大致答案了。
在试车前几天,看新闻获悉韩国前总统卢武铉因不堪受贿调查的压力而跳崖自尽,心中不免思潮起伏。中日韩三国虽然一衣带水,相邻相近,且文化同出一脉,但表现出来的国民性格却大相径庭。而韩国地处朝鲜半岛,由于历史和地理的关系,形成了较为激烈极端的民族个性,防御性心理很强,好胜心更强。而韩国的汽车企业从底层一直奋斗到今时今日的国际地位,不免也折射出一些半岛特性。
虽然是汽车工业的后起之秀,但凭着执着和努力,韩国汽车在国际市场上也足足扎稳了脚跟。当年进入美国市场的时候,韩国人碰到了日本车企在历史上遭遇过的同样的问题——缺乏消费者的信任。于是现代汽车包括起亚汽车在美国推出了史无前例的10年10万英里(约16万公里)的保修政策,一举就打动了讲究实惠的美国人民。于是人们慢慢发现,原来韩国车的质量和做工,已经慢慢地追上了日本汽车,而价格上却又要便宜很多……于是韩国汽车就在美国有了自己的一足之地。
韩国遍地是本国汽车,这点世人皆知;而成功进军北美市场,又是韩国车企进军国际的良好开端。但韩国汽车野心勃勃,其目标是全球市场的核心份额,所以光有过硬的质量和出色的性价比还不足以支撑其远大的目标。所以它们需要一个,乃至数个巨大的飞跃来完成这个宏伟目标——最直接且最有效的切入点就是——设计。
起亚汽车在3年前,不惜重金从大众汽车挖来彼得·希瑞尔(Peter Schreyer)担纲起亚原厂的设计总监。当时的彼得已经成名已久,是与宾利法尼亚和乔治亚罗齐名的欧洲顶级汽车设计师,获得了英国皇家艺术学院的荣誉博士,可以说是这个地球上最成功的汽车设计师之一。很多人对于当时彼得和起亚汽车两者的结合都无法理解,但深想之下,确实对双方来说,都是大胆而明智的一步棋。
对于起亚来说,他们时间紧迫,在品牌形象的建设上需要有突破性的进步,这就要依靠设计,那么选择一位在国际上享有盛名的欧洲设计师不失为一条捷径——无非就是薪水高一点,但换来的,不但是自身产品在设计上的彻底转变,还能获得同行和消费者更多的关注。而对于彼得来说,为一家韩国汽车工作,显然发挥的舞台更大。因为这样一个品牌对一个设计师来说,没有任何的历史包袱。我们常说汽车设计师是带着脚镣跳舞的人,但这次彼得显然可以解放自己的双手双脚了。更大的舞台,更多的挑战、更好的收入,在经过几年后,等马路上的人们一眼就能认出一款起亚汽车,就是彼得功成身退的时候了。创建一个完全属于自己的品牌语言,对任何一个汽车设计师来说,都是无法抵挡的诱惑。
而FORTE就是他最新的力作。这款起亚最新一代的全球战略车,肩负着起亚在全球的销售任务,也揭示了很多未来起亚量产车的一些全新的固定设计元素。FORTE如今在东风悦达起亚国产,并取名为“福瑞迪”,第一眼见它,觉得既熟悉又陌生,整体车身比例透露着浓重的欧洲风味,但又有着自己的特色。修长的一体式前大灯和深色中网细长的处理风格,其手法之利落,足以显出其设计者的功力。车头从侧面看,和广州本田的锋范有90%的相似度。不是说在设计上谁抄袭谁,而是那种利落修长的设计风格已经明显被广大汽车厂商运用到紧凑型家用轿车上,其最大的好处是兼顾气派与运动风格。再看看车尾的设计,也是一派欧洲紧凑级运动轿车的风范,那种轿跑式的尾部设计和雪佛兰科鲁兹 (配置 图库 口碑 论坛) 的设计理念也十分相似,看来这股趋势暂时不会减弱。而这两款车型放在一起,从后面看,很多人一下子未必能分清楚。如果要为福瑞迪的外形设计打分的话,我会给出90分。它很好地表现了起亚年轻干练的品牌形象,而且不失欧洲运动气息,没有明显的败笔。看到它,会让人很有驾驶欲望,而这又是另一个我们要考察的重点,于是我们迫不及待地钻入驾驶室内。
中网细长的处理风格,其手法之利落,足以显出其设计者的功力。车头从侧面看,和广州本田的锋范有90%的相似度。不是说在设计上谁抄袭谁,而是那种利落修长的设计风格已经明显被广大汽车厂商运用到紧凑型家用轿车上,其最大的好处是兼顾气派与运动风格。再看看车尾的设计,也是一派欧洲紧凑级运动轿车的风范,那种轿跑式的尾部设计和雪佛兰科鲁兹的设计理念也十分相似,看来这股趋势暂时不会减弱。而这两款车型放在一起,从后面看,很多人一下子未必能分清楚。如果要为福瑞迪的外形设计打分的话,我会给出90分。它很好地表现了起亚年轻干练的品牌形象,而且不失欧洲运动气息,没有明显的败笔。看到它,会让人很有驾驶欲望,而这又是另一个我们要考察的重点,于是我们迫不及待地钻入驾驶室内。
东风悦达起亚为福瑞迪配备了1.6升和2.0升两款发动机,而前者显然是我们考察的重点。这款起亚最新一代的1.6升CVVT发动机“加入了智能化控制理念”,这是新闻稿中的提法。与其抓破脑袋来研究这种模糊的提法,还不如看一些数字来得更直接。这款1.6升发动机的最大功率为90千瓦(123马力),升功率达到了56千瓦/升,这是相当厉害的数字了。简单对比—下,上海大众Polo 1.6的功率为77千瓦,日产颐达 (配置 图库 口碑 论坛) 1.6的功率为80千瓦。单从账面数字上来看。起亚的这款1.6发动机确实在技术上有不小的优势。但数字只是数字,反映到实际驾驶中的动力感受又是另一回事了。
我们分配到手的试驾车型是AT型号,心里不免“咯噔”一下一一希望液力变扭器造成的动力流失尽量可以减少到最低程度,切莫不要浪费了发动机工程师的心血。调整好驾驶位置后,右手居然很习惯地按下了启动按钮一一这种当初被认为是豪华车高档配置的东西如今的普及程度之广,早已超出我们的想象一一实际的经验告诉我们,更重要的是其便利性而非豪华性。红色自发光的三简式仪表盘似乎要点燃人们的驾驶激情,很可惜,这次又被四速自动变速器拖了后腿。
右脚重压之下,转速攀升得很快,但速度却似乎有些跟不上转速,如果以日常通勤的速度要求来看,这台1.6升的发动机用在福瑞迪1.2吨的车身上完全够用,但是只要稍微以一点激进的态度来驾驶的话,就会发觉驾驶的流畅性还是有所欠缺。其中重要的一点是油门踏板的行程实在太短,几乎无法作出Kick—dow r1的动作。如果你想迅速降挡提速,建议还是用手动模式。在90公里/小时的巡航速度下,发动机的转速为2400转/分左右,如果不是因为4Ar的关系,相信以这台发动机本身的实力,转速可以再低一点,那油耗也就更低了。还为了这不争气的变速器而叹气?要么你可以选择5速手动变速器,要么就不断提醒自己东风悦达起亚提供的5年/10万公里的保修(针对发动机和变速器),也许很快就能心情平静了。
在测试初段加速的时候,碾过几个减速带,硬邦邦的垂直振动还是相当明显,虽然扭杆梁式的后悬挂在舒适程度上有着先天的劣势,但是其它同类悬挂形式的同等级车型的颠簸程度也不像福瑞迪那般生硬。所以基本的判断是问题不在悬挂型式,而在于减振器的设定。总体来说,因为滤振的反应不够快而且过于生硬,所以福瑞迪更善于应付长波路面而不是短波路面。
看得出,起亚对于FORTE是寄予了厚望的。这是款优点和缺点都很鲜明的家用车一一其最大的卖点就是外形设计,达到了世界级水平;其次是发动机和内饰,满足并超越大部分客户的需求;自动变速器是软肋,而底盘和悬挂调校则离世界先进行列尚有差距。彼得·希瑞尔虽然是汽车设计界的顶级大师,但毕竟不是工程全才。这点对于我国的汽车自主企业也是有一定借鉴意义的。借助外力的跳跃在某些情况下确有实际效果,但从长远看,练好内功,做好自身的积累(对于汽车企业来说,就是工程数据的积累和数据库的建立)更是一刻不能松懈的工作。
购车心得2:选择 车 的条件
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先讲明,在美国,车是代步工具。不是拼了老命来买的东西。在大马,对咱们一般老百姓而言,却是拼了老命。原因第一是无底洞;第二是不归路。
第一是无底洞:车供完了,旧了脱手。又再买,旧了,问题多了,又再买,再供。。仿佛一个无底的洞,越陷越深。
第二是不归路车买了供完了,不想卖了。车旧了问题来了,不断修,不断换,没有尽头。
为什么呢?因为车太贵,贵到不再是代步工具。成了政府和厂商的肥肉。我本身short listed了几个车款:
kia forte
toyota vios
perodua alza
ford fiesta
inokom matrix
kia citra
renault kangoo
于是,我就绕绕看看。终于有了以下result:
kia forte - 考虑
toyota vios -考虑
perodua alza -考虑
ford fiesta - 取消。test drive经验麻麻地。空间压迫感,感觉不舒适。功能和forte差不多,升级版forte spec比较值得。 价格贵。泰国产。
inokom matrix - 取消。吃油车。
kia citra - 取消。吃油车。
renault kangoo - 取消。车厂不出了。
国家政策:大马政策全然一面倒向国产车。买外国进口车就是亏税给政府。
旧车换新车:因为哪个车上给我旧车高点价,我就向他买。因为不想亏太多。
车的性能/功能:我所short listed 的车款都差不多一样。vios 在这个条件输了点。
车的制造:不是大马就是泰国。对我而言sawadi 和 hari raya不会差太多。
车的sparepart 和 车的maintenance 我都非常考虑。所以万一有什么大修不用太担心。虽然说小修可能免不了,但是大修最起码有个保障。前提之下,保障的如何?就是warranty 了。如果哪个warranty 长点,自然比较有信心。
车的市价:太贵不用看,哪个有减价就留意。我short-listed 的车,二手价较好的是alza。较不好的是 forte/fiesta/vios.严格来讲,forte 和fiesta 都是新款车,还没踏入第一个第五年所以二手价很难说得准。vios 呢是属于旧款,胜在好看。市价应该亏得比国产车多,不过亏得比kia/ford 少。
车款的水准:vios 是老字号,不过水准一般。ford fiesta 和 forte 都是国际认证标准。alza大马水准高,可惜没有外国对alza车款的评价。
review of car report-全都ok.都不错。由于大马受政府混蛋政策效应影响,真正sales report带有意义的是美国和纵观亚洲sales report.比较看好的是,ford fiesta,kia forte.
耗油排行榜(从剩油到耗油):
1 vios(1.5L) ,
2 fiesta(1.5L),
3 forte(1.6L),
4 alza(1.5L- 大辆)
经过一些思考,答案如下:
toyota vios - 取消。因为旧车拿到的价钱是rm22,000.有一些折扣,但是受泰国水灾影响,暂时没车,需等一个月。而且是旧款。 胜在省油,二手价比起其他外国车高。本地组装。
perodua alza - 取消。因为考虑了本人大多数都是一两个人坐车,暂时无需如此大辆。
ford fiesta - 取消。test drive经验麻麻地。空间压迫感,感觉不舒适。功能和forte差不多,升级版forte spec比较值得。 价格贵。泰国产。胜在省油。
kia forte - 本人选择此车。最长的warranty.5 年。消除了本人对修车的烦恼。其它车款一律只warranty 3年。test drive ok. 惨在naza车,不过既然 warranty 5 年,比较放心。最重要的是,扣insurance + 吃我旧车rm23,000.
所以总的来说,warranty 长(其实可以自己extend)+高价吃我旧车+扣insurance(或是其它折扣) 成为最关键性决策。接下来的是外观/内观,spec+power,省油。不过,这一切都是我本身个人的观点。我相信个人不同。
让我讲讲我个人购车的整个过程:
起先我得到kia forte 是很不错的车的消息。于是便到showroom去看看多了解。不看还好,看了不得了。这款车也太吸引人了吧,所以不愧是x-audi designer peter Schreyer.这款车的设计真的很美。人人都说有audi 的影子。那时,sales agent shows 了很多的function,很特别,印象很深刻。而且是和vios 差不多同价钱。于是自然会考量。最大的问题与考量就是韩国车的口碑,和naza的烂名。不过当时由于靠近年底,我卖旧车的决定下的太慢。所以很多车种全部想都没想,我完全排除了:peugeout,honda,mitsu,suzuki,proton..这些完完全全没有考量。呵呵。接着就尝试到几个showroom探探。到renault showroom,renault kangoo 没出了。然后得到hyundai matrix 的意见是超吃油。那就算了。看到 naza citra 是2.0的,算了,也是油桶一个。于是就到toyota showroom 看看,一进去就看心仪的vios.不过非常可惜,由于刚刚看了forte,vios也显得太无味了。因为这是用钱买的东西,所以就拿旧车给toyota sales value一下,得到rm22000的好价。比起之前kia sales 的value,只有rm20000.多了2千。那很多。。。不过我也去了ford fiesta的showroom test drive,很可惜我得到fiesta的价钱很贵,坐进车的经验不佳,很可惜,其实那是一部好车。不过,我还是不死心,想给vios 一个机会。于是改天又到另一个toyota showroom value我的车。而得到的 discount 都一样。旧车还只得rm20000.就在这时,老婆的老板介绍另一间kia showroom 的sales给我们,而我们就meet 这个sales。经过test drive,解说,discount 2千块insurance 还value 我的旧车:rm23000.不用多说,立马答应。以我个人观点要排除我个人对kia naza的忧虑就是车厂的担保。而kia提供了5年warranty(到底是manufacturing warranty 还是bank的?),自然比起其他车更好条件了。在看省油(vios最省,接下来是fiesta 和forte),然后再看spec..forte完全赢了一条街。。。testdrive 也很不错(其实严格来讲,必须驾用几天才能完全体会所有车辆。。。但不可能。)既然车美,性能超好,warranty长,discount +高价吃我的车。当然选车选心头爱。so...forte lo..
个人对 买车人买车 是为了 卖的更好价钱 觉得有点可怜,对我而言这种有点swallow thinking + narrow minded.除非购车人对车没要求,只贪图的车的利润。
看着这个文章的有缘人啊,人生有几个十年(才九讲的)?
车是什么?不如问问自己这个问题,不要被车商懵了,不要被老鸟吭了。
这里有个forum是讨论 swift/forte/vios/fiesta 的:http://forum.autoworld.com.my/index.php?showtopic=96903
有兴趣的人自己参考。
最近我也发现proton有一个车款蛮不错的,proton persona.有兴趣的人可以考虑和去testdrive.
其实机器本身不会有太大的问题,问题是消费者用自己市场上的消费态度来衡量它们。
所以,我不让市场牵着鼻子走。b-segment也好,c-segment也好,什么都好;
有心购车的消费者一定要货比三家,想清想楚。毕竟选心头爱嘛。。
~~彼此勉励了~~
Wednesday, December 28, 2011
购车心得1:客观分析 和 事实研讨 我国车势
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我想很多人对本人的车很好奇,因为本人搞神秘感。但是其实也不是什么特别事。
不过我想 把思考买车的构思/参考 记录 下来,想必购车人士可以用以参考。必定能帮助到大众。
这里必须声明一些我用的简单词汇,容易打字:车款--车的款式。
我不是那种买了特定车款就把自己的车款100%极度“万能化”。而把其它车辆当废铁的那种心态。
不过我看见很多人是如此。因此这种感官分析事物一点都不合理,也不客观。我就从大方向到细腻之处点滴分别个个条件。
希望有缘人看见这篇文章,绝对帮助购车人不陷入迷失与圈套有所帮助。但是请记得,这是关于马来西亚的市场。
对于购车而言,不是买菜。想清楚是必然的。清楚自身喜好也是必须的。
最重要,莫要为了反对而反对;不要为了赞成而赞成。
所以我个人反对 人为了反对而反对 的极端反对;
所以我个人反对 人为了赞同而赞同 的极端赞同;
用钱买的车,不能理智一点吗?
国家政策
国家政策尤其是对车的管制与限定必须是购车人士思考的其中一个条件。不管是印度还是大马,都有规条。怎么说呢?
大马马医生时代为了 打造+维护+彻底保护 第一和第二国产车,不惜一切代价。这其实是个事实。很多国家都不让政府陷入
商业范围。可是我国偏偏就让政治人物从商业中操纵,意图很明显,我们不多说。话说回来,政府为了抵制外国车辆涌入我国,
同时又想乘此扶摇国产车,于是就推行AP Approval Permit 政策。就是有这个AP才可以入口外国车当经销商。偏偏2009年爆出
AP王自己手上就有(不清楚几千还是几万张AP卡)。目的就是垄断。
夸张就是这里,proton 的 advisor是 老马。perodua,naza etc..都是那一票族朋狗友自己的生意。试想想,这些不是医生就是一票只懂
买卖不懂车的人,会成为车行CEO?advisor?很明显,不用我们说,就是政治肉票,太公大家分的来吃。钱呢?谁给?
没错,买单请太公们的就是我们这些老百姓。
很多人为了国家发展也好,经济效应也好,民族经济也好,什么都好。已经不理智的盲目支持国家采用这种政策。很傻。。真的。
为什么呢?原因很简单。
泰国其实没有什么自己的特别保护国产车,也不特别关照外国车商而特别加税。不像老马拼了老命的为了proton+perodua护航。
所以一种现象产生,大马车辆出口底,进口底,自己赚自己人的钱。
那么泰国呢?没有特别管制的原因,各国车商疯了般的到泰国设厂,
所以另一种现象产生,泰国车辆出口高,进口底,自己赚自己人的钱;也赚外国人的钱。
所以2009年,大马政府终于肯面对现实,从新检讨AP,换汤不换药的推行另一个 “NAP”。。。·#¥%—*!。。扯吗?
所以政府继续挖人民口袋,人民继续活在被政府冠以“爱国政策”的愚民思想,为什么呢?因为大马政治人物都叫人买国产车,但是自己就买外国车。
根据报道,2009 时宣称NAP制度到2013 或可能到2016 就停止。所以现阶段,人民继续被愚。而proton,perodua,naza and etc全部继续发财。
为什么呢?因为很简单。
不管是谁,要进口车辆就必须AP,赚AP为之第一赚。
那么国家为了增加车辆消费以及对抗泰国车势的强势,竟然更创意的采取local assembly的政策。意思就是外国车必须在国内安装那么价钱就可以
少一点税。 这为之第二赚。
至于其他没能力,或不想,或不选择,或不稀罕,或不喜爱外国车种的人可以继续买proton+perodua.这为之第三赚。
三赚兼收,就是稳赚。人民?稳输。但是人民不懂。继续被愚。
其实英国算很steady了,人家进口proton不止没有特别关照大马车辆,还一视同仁。咱们呢?想想吧。
旧车换新车
其实我是要讲trade-in.因为我不是第一次买车。所以必须做这个考量。对销售员来说,应该是看向顾客收了旧车,该顾客再买新车总的来算赚多少。
不过消费者可以选择自己卖再买。不过由于我在年尾卖车,时间不多。不容我慢慢卖。所以快刀斩乱麻,果断一切,快卖少亏。不然一过年关,新的一年
新的价钱,为了混几天少了整千块,太不值得了。
所以我们必须看看人家愿不愿意吃下我们的车,吃多少钱。吃得高的就是拿来缴头期了。这个很重要,最起码我是不想亏,所以选了吃我旧车最好价的。
当然,这里奉劝各位不要为了旧车的价钱和人家吵来吵去,没如此必要。我们就老实告诉别人自己的车有什么问题。老实一点说不定老板给你个好价,反正
我们也是问几间车行当比较嘛。所以跟人争吵没意思,大家好来好去就好,沉着点气。[忍耐到底的必然得救~]
车的性能/功能
车的功能不得不参考,同样的价钱可能可以买到不一样的超人功能车。当然一分钱,一分货。问题最重要的是,对我而要,我有没有那个需要。
有些车款的功能超好,有些性能很特别,问题就是,自己本身需要这些吗?不然就不用花大钱。如果这个思路清晰了,就不会被sales agent 蒙骗了。
比如有些人对驾驶没信心,需要airbag,大可以考量提供airbag的车款。但是有些国家,airbag是必须纳入生产的。对我而言,reverse sensor 就不是
一定需要的,因为我不是驾大车。有些revere sensor 4个,有些2 个,价钱就不一样了。所以消费者现实一点吧,买需要的,所以如果我们不需要,就不会被
sales agent灌迷汤。
车的制造
有一些人爱国产车,有些人爱进口车。到底制造车的人种与国家就会有特别保证吗?有些人爱toyota honda就拼命贬kia hyundai ford 的quality. 有些人
爱kia hyundai 就拼命贬toyota honda.有些人爱ford 就拼命贬toyota kia 等。当然贬的包括proton 和perodua.
我喜欢看人家如此贬来贬去,那么我可以学得很快。不过我就会找出来/问出来 好在哪里坏在哪里?
当人们推崇 ford fiesta, 其实是从泰国制造的。
当人们推崇 kia forte, 其实是从naza 吃过来制造的。
当人们推崇 toyota vios, 其实是从本地制造的。
当人们推崇 hyundai, 其实是inokom 吃进来制造的。
当人们推崇 perodua+proton, 其实是自己参起来制造的。
我这里要说的不是所有车都是本地制造,而是大部分都是,不然如果是completely buily up (CBU).是很贵。
换句话来说,哪里制造并不会代表车不会坏。车坏不是必然只不过是迟早。
所以不管是泰国还是大马,严格来看他们车种的spec 和engine,分差不大。
不管sawadikap 还是hari raya 的做法,贬低制造国不是决定性的条件,因为制造水准大家差不多。
所以在 大马买外国车的人不用沾沾自喜,问问看哪里assembly? naza 还是inokom都是 大马。
either completely built up or complete knock down. CBU or CKD.
车不会因为全盘从日本来就没问题,看看toyota时常recall就知道。
所以当kia 的问题是gearbox,可不可以都把kia的车款归类为gearbox 问题?
那么toyota brake有问题是不是全部都一样?
那么honda idsi的gearbox 也有问题,是不是都有问题?vtec就没有事。。思考看看。
车的sparepart
车的sparepart 一般都会被考量。这里 的一般说法就是本地车sparepart 最好找。(废话)
外国车呢,其实就是五十步笑百步,大家都不便宜。toyota 和 honda 就较为普遍。
kia hyundai ford peugeot renault 就贵了点。所以如果这个观点很需要考量的话就只有国产车可以考虑了。所以不要被sales agent 玩弄。
考虑这个观点就是前提之下,这个车款时常有这个东西坏。不过人有阴晴圆缺,车也难逃一坏。这一点要思考。毕竟普遍上供车5年,大家也不想供了又修车。
很重本啊。
车的maintenance
车的maintenance也必须考察,一般也要思考哪里可以maintenance,maintenance的地方多吗。maintenance的速度,效率等。外国车的服务较好不用讲,
proton的慢速度和低效率,可想而知(听来的)。maintenance 和 spaprepart 息息相关。大家也必须思考,毕竟没有人希望有车没人修。。惨。。
所以倘若kia hyundai maintenance 很重。ford , peugeout等也不用五十步笑百步,大家也一样。
至于toyota honda 呢,其实也是差不多,较能负担得真正是proton + perodua.
车的市价
在大马的市场,都是本地车操控着。这些都拜老马所赐。有些人就因这些烂愚民政策而口袋满满。有些人就跟随着这种政策加入践蹋人民利益一群。丧失良心。
至于日本车呢,由于早早就一脚插入这个领域,经过几十年的风吹雨打,早就稳打稳扎。
而韩国车呢,有需要一段日子追上了。
不过我们可以思考的是,20年前,日本车对美国人而言,也是被取笑的under dog.被归为sushi car 的日本经过了一般风霜,
现在美国市场充满着日本品牌车辆也是铁一般的事实。问题就在这里,韩国车几乎也可以看见很强的趋势,似乎要和日本车分
一杯羹。最近较为明显的是,optima 的车款,forte的车款,sportage 和rondo 的车款。改造的改造,造势的造势。连warranty
也强硬性的硬扯5年。几乎一般市场上的3年warranty都给比下来了。这种不惜代价的企图心,可以明显地在世界各地听见。
最扯的是forte在一些国家竟然提供5年以上warranty.所以 韩国车,不容忽视。日本车岌岌可危。europe 车实在不多,这里
顶多较看到的是 renault, ford fiesta, ford focus.
所以,一般外国车在这里,再卖市价不及国产车。有些人说日本车还很好价,其实不然。因为日本车很贵,贵到再卖时已经亏了
亏了就是亏了,不能少亏一两百,一两千就断定市价不错。要讲市价,就讲本地车。倘若讲进口车,就不能再这方面考虑太多,
因为只要是进口车第一手专卖第二手已经亏一大半给政府税收了。
拿着同样车款比较泰国和大马就知道,还是这里贵。隔了几条河,价格就不一样?难道大马人是大爷?车必定贵一点?屁股贵吗?
其实进口车如果没有太高的税务,就不会太贵。再卖就不会太贵。不会太贵,二手车买时也可以和本地车几乎同价。
就是极度高的税收打乱整个市场,国产车变成外国车零售价,外国车变成高等车零售价。最后?人民买贵车。笑的不只是官爷们。
笑的还是泰国爷们。因为这种市场,勇气不大,资本不凶的不敢踏足,便宜谁了?便宜了咱们邻居泰国sawadi~~
所以要么考虑本地车,国产。不然进口车的话。就是较为贵。
倘若想在外国车中找一个款比较便宜的就是naza,inokom等联合制造的。基本上也还是贵了。记得倘若为了卖车来买车的话,
本质上已经颠倒,适不适合自己,自己要想想。不用急着把矛头指向车商,真正的源头是政府。
车款的水准
车款的水准非常的重要。不用讲太多,本地国产车没有国际认证标准,全然都是和别的国家拿engine然后自己设计自己装。
人民给了proton 和perodua 20年了,连engine都还不能研发,人民能support到今天也算仁慈了。这里我们要考虑的是车的
spec和function。日本车在大马已经很久,久到很强大,强大到车价很硬。很多车款spec没什么却非常昂贵。一般人们已经
认为是overprice.其实日款车可以考虑优惠一下人民,毕竟人民强烈支持了日款车20年,而且制造厂商就在泰国,没有必要
隔了几条河来到大马价钱就调价,不用如此嘛。话说回来,当我们拿到车的spec 的时候可以比较一下。不然买了货不对称就不好。
其实进口车和素质受到认可是不争的事实,因为都给国际认证的了。
国产车见仁见智,本人觉得perodua是很不错的了。倘若有一天政府将税收拿掉,perodua应该还可以生存,proton就要努力了。
我们人民不是不支持国产车。我们人民要考虑进口车,同时也要国产车素质提升到国际水平。人民进口,国产都要。更要
的是车的水准。所以看价钱同时要看spec.看看该车值得吗?
review of car report
car report有很多种。不同国家的人可能用不同的观点。大马我推荐一个满出名的blog: paultan.我们可以看车款的spec的report.
我们也可以看各国汽车销售量的report.不过我们不能被report 带着走。我们必须思考report 本身的弱点。如何说?请看以下:
当我们看spec的report 的时候,不要太快下定论,必须到车行亲自test drive.除非你对那辆车已经很有信心。
比如我听到/看到/读到ford fiesta都很好,亲自去驾驶却觉得空间压逼,那么再好也不适合自己。vios, forte, alza etc 都一样。
坐进去才能知道。至于spec report 本身,一般tester都会整体性来看他的功能。切记,不要被report本身的exterior 和
interior误导,因为这种内外型设计是很主观的。自己亲眼看一看才能懂。有些车看一眼没怎样,有些车让人目不转睛。因为
国度不同,设计不一样。试想想,renault kangoo在这里被认为很丑,在法国却是最卖座的。
另一个report是各国销售量report.我参考了新加坡的简短report,网上美国销售量排行榜,大马销售量排行榜,泰国销售量等。
至于大马排行榜,我也参看了2011年9,10,11月的数量。思想上就可以明白一点东西。
在美国,ford fiesta 稳操第一榜首,接下来都是日款车。尾随而上是韩国车。europe车很少看到。怪不得日本那么有钱又先进,
不然怎么赚美国人的钱。ford 的车款种类几乎和日款车没得比了。。
在泰国,什么人都好,几乎都在驾toyota hilux。这种车马力强,位子少,偏偏泰国人喜爱。所以toyota hilux稳稳站榜首,接
下来的车款,一系列都是toyota honda ford.因为人家泰国不乱乱加税收,所以各国厂商自然喜欢到泰国设厂,从中的就业机会
多不胜数。要不是最近泰国水灾,泰国接下来足以撼倒邻国,因为水灾,可能大马的泰国的制造业各自欣起另一片观景,这是
需要时间来考量的。大马能不能稳住又成功召来更多就业机会呢?让时间证明吧。
在新加坡,toyota honda 是稳稳的操控着市场,不用说了,是的。吓人的是forte 2009年在大马开始launch.2010开始看见车影。
可怖的是新加坡2009forte站销售量第4,2010年跑位第1。今年却是BMW榜首。这很特别,韩国车很少在亚洲如此强势,新加坡人
一直被认为kiasu(是电视机讲的-怕输),却荷包大开向KIA FORTE进贡。很意外了。更意外的是,ford fiesta 如此闻名全球,
在新加坡却看不见销售量成绩。
最后,马来西亚。不用讲太多。根本不会有意外。都是国产车的领头的。问题就在这里。在外国,领头的都是spec 很好,性能功能
很强,安全措施齐全,设计新异,符合国际认证标准。都是这些条件来让人民选择,消费者自然用以最实在的钞票支持最符合
各各因素的车款,所以车款越设计越进步。反观大马,包尾的都是这些被认为优秀的车,领头的却是没有规格的车。为什么?
因为价钱,已经被政府加税加到人民不敢乱选,只能用荷包来衡量。而失去理智的爱国人士,也不计一切代价护持国产车,就算
头破血流。现在领头的是perodua myvi,我5年前就想买它,但是现在已经多到有点吓人。到处都是。其实这款车的设计是很漂亮
的,不过当我购第一部车时,那时myvi刚推出,还需要等半年才有车。。所以就算了。接下来领头的是perodua alza.我个人驾过
alza,真的觉得很不错,空间够大。话说回来,以大马的特别情况,所以人民必须 参考其它国家数据才能作准。那么接着而上的
大马销售量是proton,然后toyota vios,honda,naza然后再是其它的。这里很清楚的看见一个趋势,大马消费者是不是都是很多
人云亦云的followers呢?不然怎么好车都挂彩呢?真正的原因是税务。
所以说各自report 都有弱点。
spec report 的弱点是,spec 好是应该,太好时多余。比如4个reverse sensor...2个足以倒车,到底多不多余spec report不说。
只是提供车功能参考。
tester review很实在,而且可以知道车的驾驶参考,不过别人归别人,不代表自己。自己不动手是不会懂得。所以弱点是tester
review 不代表购车人士,购车者必须自己体验。
sales report 销售量数据。很多人看这种数据看不出弱点,以为别人的销售量就等于自己的选择,有者更甚,被sales agent 拿来
唬弄顾客。所以这里教大家不受sales agent 懵眼。不管美国的销售量如何,ford fiesta 还是来自泰国。
不管kia销售量如何,还是under naza,包括peugeout.不管vios销售量如何,它也是大马生产,装着泰国parts粘着日本签的机器。那么这些代表
什么?到表别的国家。大马讲来讲去现下最火红的是 myvi 和alza.所以不要被sales agent 说这里国家好,那里国家卖的好,
看看自己国家和人家国家,知道分别在那里。记得,report只是参考。要综合所有因素才能找出最适合自己的,毕竟车是自己
付钱的。
那么我自己会如何衡量自己要买什么车呢?
有兴趣者看这里:url
What's best - timing belt or timing chain?
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Timing chain
TIming chains have been widely used before timing belts popularity explosion in 70's-80's.
As a general rule (not necessarily true today) timing chains are noisier, they are for sure require higher mechanics' qualification to maintain and they last much longer than a timing belts.
- Timing chain require a tensioner and if used for S(D)OHC - require a quieting shoe. In many cases one of them may serve both roles and two tensioner/quieter shoes could be used.
- Chain is usually heavier per inch length than belt and therefore require stronger infrastructure to hold it in place. In case chain get stretched over time and go above tensioner's adjustment capability things could go hairy fast. Engine's timing may become erratic.
- Timing chain in general is very reliable and require only every so often check-ups. Modern ECU could be capable of troubleshooting timing chain issues which increases reliability of the whole system.
- Timing chain usually enclosed within an engine case and constantly lubricated.
Timing belt
With introduction of a new materials in 60's and 70's it became feasible to have very dependable engine timing system that is light, easily serviceable and cheap at the same time.
- Timing belt drive usually quieter than a chain drive. Since belt is lighter it requires lighter support structures and does not need a calming shoe.
- As a result SOHC/DOHC engines could have higher RPMs without worry of an added chain momentum.
- Timing belt must be changed every 50-75 thousand miles along with the tensioner and a water pump if one driven by the timing belt.
In 2009 model year we see a new trend of car manufacturers moving back to timing chain engine design. Many of them rely on a service data and price/performance evaluation for the size of the vehicle.
It is unlikely that general public will know exact figures on timing belt/chain price/performance comparison but we all have our own preferences and that may become a driving force for the future engine models.
Timing chain or timing belt?
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Question : I am about to buy my first car.
1. Is it true buying a car with timing chain means one does not have to worry about the chain snapping, and maintenance cost will also be reduced? Does it make a big difference having a car equipped with timing chain instead of timing belt?
2. 1 heard that a car equipped with all-round disc brakes gives more security and safety in terms of stopping power and braking. Does having disc/drums brakes set-up really "dampen" the car's stopping power? I prefer a car with an all- round disc brake set-up, but most of the cars today are with disc/drums installed (apart from the up-market ones).
Answer :
1. I agree that timing chains hardly ever snap but through use, they wear and the sprockets also wear, resulting in changes to the valve timing and loss of power. Also, chains are noisy and so require more maintenance than cogged belts. Cogged belts are quiet and hardly ever wear if properly adjusted. The only minus point about cogged belts is that they can snap, with disastrous consequences. Therefore if the cogged belt is replaced regularly as advised by the engine manufacturer, one can be sure of a quieter engine and consistent valve timing.
2. If one is driving a 500cc shopping car that weighs 300kg, even drums all round are good enough. The brakes set-up in a particular model of car is decided at the design stage based on certain parameters such as usage, weight of vehicle, maxi- mum top speed, etc., and if the car is an economy car with low requirements then a disc/drum set-up may be good enough to do the job. However if that same car is modified for competition purposes and is going to be driven much harder, then an all round disc set-up may have to be grafted on as the original set-up is not designed for that application. So, it all depends on what you want to do with the car, and not how the car looks or impresses others.
http://www.car-techie.com/timing-belt.php